To anyone that may still read this, I sent an email off to Thomas Knight about his superchargers, and this was his reply (sorry for the all caps, its how he sent it to me)

THE COMPLETE KA24DE SC KIT IS NO LONGER IN PRODUCTION, HOWEVER, WE STILL HAVE THE CNC DRAWINGS TO MACHINE THE PARTS FOR THE NISSAN FRONTIER AND XTERRA SUPERCHARGER TO FIT THE KA24DE. THE INSTALLATION KIT SELLS FOR $795 + $25 SHIPPING (TO THE MAIN 48 STATES).
THE $795 KIT INCLUDES THE SC TO MANIFOLD ADAPTER, THROTTLE BODY ADAPTER PLATE, SUPERCHARGER TO THROTTLE BODY ADAPTER PLATE, IDLER PULLEY BRACKET, IDLE AIR AND AIR CONDITIONER IDLE AIR ADAPTER (AIC AND AAC), AND INSTRUCTIONS. YOU NEED TO SUPPLY THE NISSAN FRONTIER/XTERRA EATON SUPERCHARGER, DRIVE BELT ($20 AT AUTO PARTS STORE), IDLER PULLEY ($25 AT AUTO PARTS STORE), GAUGES, AND FUEL CONTROL.
PLEASE NOTE THAT THE ABS BRAKE OPTION REQUIRES EXTENSIVE MODS TO THE BRAKE LINES AND ABS BRACKET IN ORDER FOR THIS KIT TO FIT S13 & S14 ABS MODELS.
WE RECOMMEND YOU ELIMINATE THE SECONDARY BUTTERFLY SHAFT AND WELD THE HOLES SHUT AND PORT THE LOWER MANIFOLD. THIS GIVES AN EXTRA 5 WHEEL HP/TQ. WE ALSO SUGGEST LARGER INJECTORS, LARGER MAF, 65MM TBODY, AND 9PSI. THIS WILL GIVE 225/240 WHEEL HP/TQ. ADDING WATER INJECTION WILL ADD ANOTHER 10-15HP.
THESE FOLLOWING NUMBERS ARE ON STOCK ENGINES (135 HP/150TQ BASELINE ON DYNO) WITH HEADERS & 2.25" EXHAUST @ 7-8 PSI.

Please keep this sort of thing in it's own thread, I split it from the other one (the turbocharged one).

I think the price isn't bad at all... actually it's pretty damn good for what you get.

So could you hit around 250whp with this setup if you ran the supercharger at say.... 10-11 psi.

Sorry about that Arro, and thank you.

I didnt think it was that bad either till I started looking at the prices for Eaton Super Chargers. I think Ebay had them at like 800 or something along those lines. If you could find one of the SC's at a yard for cheap, this is a great way to go...but for a total price of 1600+ and machine work, a turbo might be better.

Still though I would love to see someone supercharged...I'd do it if I thought I could get 350 HP on it

This power is supposed to be worth the cost? No thx

What do you expect for that price? Turbocharging a stock KA24DE costs around that or more. For those not wanting more than the stock longblock can *reliably* handle, this is priced right IMO. That's also quoted TO THE WHEELS, so really that's closer to 280-300 for $800 reliable, lag-free horsepower.

Again, I say it's not a bad deal. I might even consider it now that I think more about it.

its all the time torque, and it would make it go and feel much much faster than a ka-de

not a bad price and setup, i wish the vg33er had a lower profile, id just drop that in my car...

Now someone be honest with me here. What does 300 hp feel like in these cars? Arro does have quite a good point. For semi cheap fairly reliable non lag boost it is a fairly good option. 300 crank HP in S13's seem to drift quite well, and since we really dont have all that many choices for rear tire width, I think 250 HP would do very well going through 2 235 size tires. Also think that the S14's came with a little bit more power, and you can still squeeze more performance out of this option with porting and cams.

Original plan was KA24E-T...looks like I'll be the guinea pig on this. Anyone want to buy a KA-E head and block? haha

Only one question though. In the email, he says that the supercharger wont clear ABS brake lines and Bracket...I know my car isnt ABS, but can anyone see any other problems with the supercharger being mounted on the lower passenger side?

i feel that 160 or so is pretty quick for a stock s12... being a v6 car that is....

i feel that doubling it would make for some real fun though, my hp goal is 350 whp on pump gas

-edit-

i thought the s/c was on the 3.3l engine only?

heres a cool link i ran into....

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=3...;postid=3693179

then i found this... heres a how to on installing the kit and charger

http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/191929

+1 on 160 being nice on the S12 chassis.. I'm prolly around 185 or so, maybe 190, and I bust ass right now.

Re: those links ...

Sweet titties:

does anyone know if Sean(forgot his SN) ever finished up his supercharged KA s12? i cant find anyhting on it, was he using a m60? I know for a fact someone on CS12 had a mounting plate for a extera supercharger CNC'ed.

WHOA! I think I'm sold..sure I may never hit the same horsepower the turbo guys do, but I dont want to really.
I'm with you CarAudio in wanting the 350HP, that was the original goal, but I like being different where I can, so I think this may be the new option for now. Still though, should talk when I pick that stuff up this weekend or something (gimme a ride in the whip, lol)
I'm more turbo guy and I know how to regulate boost on turbos..but what about superchargers? I think i remember something about changing pulleys. How much boost do you think you can run on one of these systems?
I'm at work not doing much so I'll probably research this quite well for the next few hours, lol

Don't buy that $800 bracket kit. Buy materials and learn how to cut/bend/drill. It will save you money.. ALOT of money.

How much are junkyards charging for a s/c?




Sean supercharged a VG in his S12, I remember because his car had a home depot spec hood vent to plug the hole after it was removed.

I don't know why noone has hooked up an old MR2 supercharger. It would make even a CA20 peppy. I wouldnt even fauck with the ECU just plug it up and enjoy the 6-7 psi.

and by plug it up I mean fab the mounting and rig a pulley. Or use the a/c pulley.

For a size ref. Mr2 charge' on a 18DE

This is what your paying hella money for btw.

Anyone can fab that plate. , That plate and those studs cost at best $30 from the right place.

Um you're getting a lot more than a plate, you're getting a couple different throttle body adapters. an idler pulley bracket, an IAA and AC adapter... could you make all that? MAYBE with the right tools or the inns with a good local shop, but you'd end up spending a great deal more trial and error with some of the brackets and shit... what you're paying for here is the R&D. You've heard this before in other situations, the real question is are you skilled enough (or funded enough if you have a shop do it) to reproduce that R&D yourself.

And the other question is, how much can you get the superchasrger for?

Been doing research on this all day (I have no life, so sue me, lol)
For one, I'm good at fabricating some things, but I honestly dont trust myself with fabbing up all this. If I had a good friend that knew all this, or maybe if Bart lived close by (Barts the man, give it up, lol) I'd pay him to do it.
As it is this kit has been installed and ran on 240's before.

As far as the supercharger, one website quoted 800 new, 450 remanufactured...I lost the website and still searching for it desperatly.
Superchargerpros.com quotes 685 + 200 core...still curious bout this though because if I wanted a supercharger, I wouldnt normally have a core.

I'd pay 450 for a reman w/ a warranty from an experienced vendor. That's still around $1300 for a correctly-fitted supercharger setup. You'd still need and AFC and some injectors, but that's not a big deal.

Yea, I'm really starting to come around on this idea. I keep thinking that "its ONLY 240hp they made"...
But our cars can be VERY decent with that power. And that was basically a stock motor, you can still do numerous things to bring that power up a bit or make the engine more lively (I.E. light flywheel and pulleys, head porting, 2.5 exhaust instead of 2.25, cams)

And you can always put a smaller SC pulley to achieve more PSI

SWEET!! I WAS RIGHT!!...so it IS the pulley..great

I have only seen this kit on one car which was on Nico once.

There's a section on ka-t.org for the SC'ed guys and they run M60 or M62's not sure but there's a guy that had a dyno sheet of his setup if you want to look, go check it out at ka-t.org/forums. =)

I put a lot of thought into this a while back when I was going to buy a S13 but I decided TURBO is the way I want to go.

i also wouldnt trust an AFC when running an n/a motor on boost, any kind of boost that is, unless youre just drag racing a little bit.

the fuel/engine management will be where the money will need to be spent, if you want your engine to last. the thing about AFC's is that they cant control timing, and timing is critical when boosting an n/a engine. its the main reason why peoples engines blow

IMO, its about the same money for a turbo setup sans engine/fuel management, if youre frugal and look around

Don't be so defeated by the fuel issue and the AFC concerns... just run a rising rate FPR and a Walboro 255lph pump and I'm sure that will handle things.

That's how the Honda engines dealt with the JR roots blowers.

My only question is how close to 100% duty cycle you'd end up on the KA24DE's 270cc injectors. If they max out, you could run S13/S14 SR20DET injectors (370cc), 95-96 Z32 Turbo injectors (370cc), or S15 SR20DET injectors (480cc). All those injectors are the same kind of side feed as the KA24DE injectors, and you could use an AFC to correct it back to stock flow, then the RRFPR to pump up the fuel as the boost rises.

It could work.

the stock 270cc KA injectors will get you to 190bhp not whp and thats at 100% duty cycle mind you. the 370cc's will get you to 260bhp and 480cc's 330bhp.

you can also use FD injectors(550cc primary, 850cc secondary) and STi injectors(565cc's) just be sure to grab the injector clips

Or 93-02 Supra turbo injectors.

I'd build the motor to be reliable (I know its not really needed, but I wouldnt trust a 100k engine and tossing boost at it and expecting it to run as hard as I'll run it)
Can anyone check on something for me though? I would run Walbro no doubt, but S13 guys lately are picking up Q45 fuel pumps, I dont remember how much more they push, but I remember people throwing them in with RB swaps so...
As far as injectors, I'm sure you wouldnt need more then 480cc on the supercharged KA...even fully built

You don't need anything more than a Walboro 255lhp pump, trust me... Supras and DSM's running 10's and 11's in the 1/4 use them with 20+psi. I think you'll be way under that Besides, the Walboro is cheap.

Anything above 550CC's and the S-AFC won't be able to compensate your fuel issues for you, keep that in mind.

If you do decide to go this way, keep us updated. =)

That's not true, DSM's consider 550cc's an introductory upgrade, and 460's w/ Super AFC's are routine. It might mean he'll need a different *airflow meter* at that point but that's no big deal, if you go with one that the AFC already knows about, like a Z31.

Yea, I plan on going this route...all advice (except for "DONT DO IT") is welcome. First step is to find me an engine and transmission, build it, then prep the chassis...anyway hopefully you can all look forward to a build from me sometime soon. I will be going with a bit of a different style color choice, lol

There are pros and cons to sc vs turbos. With sc, you have power all the time. Which does hell for gas mileage if you are just putting around town. Turbos tend to be better IMO for regular street driving. You can also pretty much adjust your boost on the fly. With superchargers this requires changing a pulley. If the build is for a track car only, I would probably go with the sc setup. But when you are just driving around town, the sc will steal your gas. Well, more so than a turbo.

I'm not saying either one is bad, its just that you need to consider what you will be doing with the car once it is built.

That's true, you can lazy-drive a turbo and keep it out of boost.

hey brandon answer ur phone...lol

your the MAN! haha...It will be a track car though. I got my S13 going into surgery soon to become my daily driver...Almost tempted to sell it and get a different 13 though...I want auto doors, auto windows, black interior...and all the interior back that I took out SO long ago, lol


I KNOW MAN, I KEEP COMING HOME AND SEE YOU CALLED! My schedule this week is all (flabergasted) UP..
I should be home most of this weekend though, by the way..wanted to talk to you about an exhaust thing...remind me..that is if I ever pick up the phone.
I'll be home CALI time at 715 tonight though if you want to call.

NEW DEVELOPMENTS!!

Ok, so yesterday I emailed Thomas Knight to make sure that since I wont have that kind of money for the Supercharger kit anytime soon that he'll still be able to set me up with the kit. This is the email he sent me.

WE ARE GOING TO PLACE ONE INSTALLATION KIT ON EBAY THIS EVENING (WE ARE CLEARING OUR INVENTORY FOR '08). JUST LOOK FOR 240SX SUPERCHARGER. NO RESERVE--WHO KNOWS--YOU MIGHT GET LUCKY.

THOMAS (GEOFF) KNIGHT
THOMAS KNIGHT TURBOS
PO BOX 939
12055 MAIN ST
SAN ANTONIO, FL
33576
786-877-4880

and here my friends is the result.
EBAY - 240sx Supercharger
I DO have the money for this, I DO plan on buying this but let it be known that if anyone else will want the machine work diagrams and anything else, I will let them go for little to nothing..
PLEASE dont try to undercut me on this and pick up the kit yourself, as I said IF I do get this kit more then likely we can have them made for less then I will end up paying...

Since my first build I want to go NA, and the only local KA S12 guy around here is Arro...I wonder if he would mind being the guinea pig on this (no offense)...I will throw this on a KA at some point and throw THAT into my car, but it may be a while. I'd rather someone drive it and enjoy it first, lol

LOL wait did I just understand you correctly, you want to supercharge my KA to test it out?

Basically..Yea
I'll pay for everything as long as there is the understanding that when my engine is ready, it goes on mine...before we throw it on we'll have a machine shop duplicate at least 1 of all the components incase anyone else wants to do the same..I think it may be a good idea for Henry too.

After the kit, we have to buy a supercharger...then its install and probably small stuff.

Supercharger Kit still at $200!

if you get everything duplicated let me know ill put in for a full kit!!!!!

how much per gallon gas consumption are we talking about on an sc its not outrageouly above a turbo is it??

Depends...turbo depends on boost..if your not boosting your technically NA - Supercharger is ALWAYS boosting and uses the engines own power to boost..
HOWEVER, from what I've heard, its not that bad at all. 350z's with like Vortechs get -1 or -2 tops on gas mileage from what I remember. Best way to find out would be to find a review on a supercharged Xterra or Frontier since it is the same supercharger. I'll look that up in a little bit.

Well that's fine, I'm not gonna be doing anything with it turbowise until the suspension, wheels, brakes, and exterior crap is finished, so you can have free reign on the engine. If I like what you do, I'll just do the same thing. But I'm pretty sure after that I'd rather go turbo.

Same here, but then at least I know I'll have tried everything, you know. IF the supercharger has the power for drifting that I want, I wont change - I may try some other method of supercharging though...who knows what the hell we can come up with, lol

Or hell, even trying to fit an intercooler to the supercharger, a cooler charge = more condensed air = more air in the cylinders during combustion = more power.
ITB supercharger maybe?
There are a ton of ideas running through my head, but finding one that may work, have gains, and be affordable is the hard part

You can rule out ITB's then, they aren't affordable, because they'll pretty much require a stand-alone EMS.

I just started up my car today, I think I need a new water pump, it's got a very tiny bit of clatter coming from there. But otherwise my engine is sound. Whenever you're ready, PM me and we'll plan things out.

sure, let me win this ebay bid first, lol
and kinda bad news...the Xterra's V6 is rated 16.7 MPG, and the V6 SC is rated 13.5 MPG back in 02.
and I'm a couple weeks away from buying megasquirt for my car anyway - and if you have ITB's connected to a Plenum, all the air still needs to go through a air intake which is still measured by a MAF sensor, so you MAY be able to get away with no Standalone...though it would be a smart idea.

Well that's true about the single plenum inlet, but then what's the point of ITB's? It's redundant on anything with a plenum.

Response - though you dont need it really on a supercharger...like I said, I have many ideas I'm kicking around, some make more sense then others...some make a LOT more sense then others, lol
If I were supercharging a KA24E - ITB's would be a smart idea, Ive heard cylinder 4 tends to not get as much oxygen as the rest of the pistons and blows when boosting...

But your right, ITB supercharging is kind of a dumb idea...
XCEPT FOR THIS VID!
Lexus ITB Supercharged

Wow that's amazing

Yea, I needed a towel the first time I saw that, lol
By the way, your name is Jason right? I should probably start calling you that, haha
But sometime if your alright with it I wanna come get a ride in your car. Still have yet to see what a KA S12 feels like. Might be able to judge how much more HP I may need to get a decent lil drifter. If S13's and S14's can drift quite well NA I dont see why a Supercharged S12 KA wouldnt be fantastic

Did you see my vids in my Garage thread? If I put in an LSD or a welded diff, I could drift very easilly now, the car is a little monster as is. Anyone who's done a KA24DE swap w/ 2.5" exhaust can agree with me on that.

Thats what everyone keeps saying, but for some reason everyone still wants a turbo. I got a place to get cheap fender flares so eventually I'll have 15x8's out back - but I dont think 220hp and what-ever-amount-of-torque from the supercharger will hold traction with the 245 size tires. If the KA NA is fine, why does everyone hate on the supercharger? Why isnt everyone happy with bigger cams, and a few bolt ons? Why is everyone insisting on a Turbo and 300+ hp? I'm not flaming, but I'm somewhat confused now, lol

Guess thats kind of why I wanted a ride...to see peoples point of view on this

If more people understood that powertrain isn't everything when it comes to speed, they'd spend more time on other components.

But the reason why I want to turbocharge it is because as nice as the KA24DE is, it's not 250hp.